Thursday, February 9, 2012

What does the word infallible mean? (SHIAS ONLY)?

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What does the word infallible mean fellow Muslim (Shias only) brothers and sisters? Any good links or a good defenition?

What does it mean when we say the Imams are infallible?

I only want answers from Shia users, and Shia sources, so Salafi Nasabi stay out of this question cause you are a deviated sect not to be trusted, who have a PHD in misinterpreting and twisting words, stay out, you are NOT welcomed here!What does the word infallible mean? (SHIAS ONLY)?
what a coincidence..the friday sermon was on infalliability today. ^_^

so while its fresh in my mind...

infalliability in islam means that one:

a) does not commit sin

b) protected by Allah from forgetfulness and error

The infalliables are all the prophets, the seal of the prophets, and the imams, all at the same level.

The imams hold a stature of infalliability as they are of the same breath of the Prophet. He *himself* has quoted that they are -- from whatever scripture you choose to look at!
the term 'infallible' means "incapable of failure or error" b/c one knows the absolute truth w/100% certainty

if that is not what is meant about the imams, then perhaps a word which is not as strong would be more suitable, don't you think?

just saying


the english language is vast w/synonyms* for 'would do no wrong', yet of all the words available 'infallible' is used



peaceWhat does the word infallible mean? (SHIAS ONLY)?
This is what the word infallible means:


1. 1 incapable of error : unerring - an infallible memory

2. 2 not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint : certain - an infallible remedy

3. 3 incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals

#3 is the one usually meant when referring to religious leaders. Catholics will say it about the Pope also. They don't mean he's a perfect person, simply certain about religious teachings.

The only one who has ever been perfect in EVERY WAY is Christ Jesus, and the quran also says that He is:


YUSUFALI: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

PICKTHAL: He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

SHAKIR: He said: I am only a messenger of your Lord: That I will give you a pure boy.

It's so funny that Muslims thumb down their quran. Did you guys even know allah said Jesus is holy? Mo wasn't.
Khomeini was declared to be a disbeliever by the scholars of Islaam in recent times for his blatant kufr and shirk he called to in his writings. He was also known for his severe hatred and disdain for Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and his Companions.

For example, he stated in his book, Hukumatul-Islamiyyah:

“It is a necessary principle of our faith that our Imams have ranks that exceed those of close Angels and the appointed Messengers.”

"The Islaamic ruling regarding (Ayatollah) Khomeini"…What does the word infallible mean? (SHIAS ONLY)?
Infallable means, according to Ammar Nakshwani (he's a Shia) infallable does not mean that can not do wrong, it means that they WOULD not.
LOL, I thought i saw *INFLATABLE*

What does it mean when we say the Imams are infallible?

SUPPOSED, they are of sound moral character and 've sound knowledge.
I have just come to make u realise that u (shias) have never respected my request when i say


So how do u expect from others to respect your request???
it means a person who never commits a sin. the 14 masoomeen were perfect and they never commited a sin.
Thanks. I just learned something and I have two points.
Some Shias think that the infallibility of 14 infallible is that they can't sin or can't make mistakes. Their Esma is not that they cannot mistake. It is that they Would not mistake.

There is a Hadith from Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq(as) that once a man came to him ans said that what do you expect me to learn from you?, you are infallible, you can't sin, you can't mistake and we are suppose to learn from others mistake, so since you can't sin and make mistake I can't learn anything from you. Imam Jafar-e-Sadiq(as) said that It is not that we can't sin and mistake but we wouldn't sin and mistake, that person asked Imam what do you mean? Imam said if I tell you that can you go outside naked and run around, can you? the person said I can but I wouldn't because their are people are watching. Imam said we too can sin but we wouldn't because Allah(swt) is watching.

The above hadith is in my own words and I also don't have the reference number, I heard it in a lecture of Syed Ammar. I can contact him for you and get you the reference.


Edit- No problem, anything for you bro :) anything for my Shias. I will contact him and will get the reference number and the exact hadith from him. I will email it to you bro.

I will post SHIA sources.

Shaykh Abu Ja’far as-Saduq, a scholar born during the minor occultation of the Present Imam and died in 381 AH, says: “Our [Shia] belief concerning the Prophets, Apostles, Imams and Angels is that they are infallible, purified from all defilement (damas), and that they do not commit any sin, whether it be minor or major. He who denies the infallibility to them in any matter appertaining to their status is ignorant of them… Our belief concerning them is that they are infallible and possess the attributes of perfection, completeness and knowledge, from the beginning to the end of their careers.” (As-Saduq, A Shi’ite Creed, p. 87)

Allamah Ibn Mutahhar al-Hilli (d. 728 AH) writes the following of the Shia Imams: “He is immune to sin from the first of his life to the last of it.” (Allamah al-Hilli, Al Babul Hadi Ashar, p. 58)

Shaykh Muhamad Riza Muzaffar, a famous and eminent scholar of the first half of this century writes, “We [Shias] believe that all Prophets are infallible… Infallibility means purity from all sins, both major and minor ones, and from mistakes and forgetfulness.” (Al-Muzzafar, The Faith of Shia Islam, p. 21)


Now i will quote from Quran (compare the TRUE prophets to your "infallible imaams"):

In Verse 20: 121-122 in the Quran, Allah Almighty says:

Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.

Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance. (Quran, 20:121-122)

Prophet Musa (???? ??????) also committed a mistake of killing an Egyptian man. In Verse 28:16 of the Quran, Allah Almighty says:

He [Musa] said: ‘My Lord! Verily, I have wronged myself, so forgive me.’ Then He [Allah] forgave him. Verily, He is the Oft-Forgiving, the Most Merciful. (Quran, 28:16)

Prophet Dawood (???? ??????) commited the sin of passing judgement before hearing the case of the second disputant. In Verse 38:23-24 of the Quran, Allah Almighty says:

…and he [Dawood] sought forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned (to Allah) in repentance.

So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and a good place of (final) return (Quran, 38:23-24)

And our Prophet Muhammad (???? ???? ???? ???? ?????) was rebuked by his Lord for several things that are mentioned in the Quran, such as the following in verse 66:1:

O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Quran, 66:1)


Therefore your imaams are ABOVE the prophets !


Shaikh Ibn Taymiyyah said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa:

The view that the Prophets were protected from major sins (kabaa’ir) but not from minor sins (saghaa’ir) is the view of the majority of the scholars of Islam… It is also the view of the majority of the scholars of tafseer and hadeeth, and of the fuqahaa’. Nothing was reported from any of the Salaf, Imams, Sahabah, Tabi’een or the successive generation that does not agree with this view.

What has been narrated from the majority of scholars is that they (the Prophets) are not infallible with regard to minor sins, but they are not left to persist therein. They do not say that this does not happen under any circumstances. The first group from whom it was narrated that they are infallible in all cases, and who say that the most, are the Raafidis (Shi’ah), who say that they are infallible and protected even against forgetfulness and misunderstanding…
%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;======= LISTEN TO UR SHEIKH:

shiaa exaggerate about their imams, claiming that they are infallible, and they devote many acts of worship to them such as supplication, seeking help, offering sacrifices and tawaaf (circumambulating their tombs). This is major shirk which Allaah tells us will not be forgiven. These acts of shirk are committed by their scholars and common folk alike, without anyone among them objecting to that.

seeking intercession from the dead and occupants of graves, or from a living person who is absent, believing that he is able to hear and meet one’s need. This is the kind of intercession that constitutes shirk, which is clearly forbidden in many verses of the Qur’aan and ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), This is exactly what Allaah described the early mushrikeen as doing, when they said,

“These are our intercessors with Allaah”

[Yoonus 10:18 – interpretation of the meaning]

– In the same way, the contemporary mushrikoon say “the awliya’ (‘saints’) intercede for us; we cannot ask of Allaah (directly) so we ask them and they ask of Allaah.” And they say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Allaah tells us of a righteous man in Soorat Ya-Seen, who said (interpretation of the meaning):

“ ‘Shall I take besides Him aalihah (gods)? If the Most Gracious (Allaah) intends me any harm, their intercession will be of no use for me whatsoever”

[Ya-Seen 36:23]

And Allaah tells us that the kuffaar will confess it themselves:

“They will say: ‘We were not of those who used to offer the Salaah (prayers),

Nor we used to feed Al-Miskeen (the poor);

And we used to talk falsehood (all that which Allaah hated) with vain talkers.

And we used to belie the Day of Recompense,

Until there came to us (the death) that is certain’

So no intercession of intercessors will be of any use to them”

[al-Muddaththir 74:43-48 – interpretation of the meaning]


-why in quouran, Allah(swt) order us to believe in Allah(swt), angels, prophets(alayhim salam), books...... did Allah(swt) mentionned imams?

-why would Allah(swt) send imams? tell me.....Allah(swt) sent for us prophets(alayhim salam) so why imams?

-do u wanna prove that ur 'imams' arent mentionned in quouran:

??????????????? ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ???????? ???????????? ??? ???????????

Yusuf Ali

And we made them (but) leaders inviting to the Fire; and on the Day of Judgment no help shall they find

(sura 28) (v_no 41)


?????? ???????? ????????????? ???? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??? ????????? ?????? ??????????? ???????????

Yusuf Ali

But if they violate their oaths after their covenant. and taunt you for your Faith.- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.

(sura 9) (v_no 12)

==%26gt; IN THOSE TWO VERSES , Allah(swt) used the word ''a'imma'=imams and everytime we ask u about imams, u give us verses that speak good about does thoses verses also give u right?

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